I have yet to meet a single person who honestly thinks communism or anarchism (not comparing them, I know they’re different ideas) that can give me a logical and reasonable arguement as to why it would work. Because they won’t. Communism looks good on paper, but it always falls apart. And as for anarchism…it’s pretty obvious why that can’t even gain decent footing. I know capitalism isn’t a perfect system, but it’s sure as shit what we’ve got, and you’re going to have to deal with that until something better can be implemented.
u just ignoring the many dozens of communes and revolutionary experiments that have been going on for decades now? ever heard of the zapatistas? the currently developing struggle in rojava? i can point u to several entire towns in spain that have implemented post-capitalist methods of living for quite some time now. if u wanna be defeatist have fun doing that
Small scale works pretty well sometimes, I’ll admit that. But I’m talking about people who think making America a communist country would be a step forward, or the people who can even begin to imagine that anarchism is a good idea.
It would be a good idea and a step forward because right now there are six empty houses for every homeless person, and the only reason why this is is because these people don’t have the capital, which is a social construct, required to live in these homes. There are also people starving while supermarkets and restaurants throw out food that is perfectly fine.
‘Communism doesn’t work’ is so boring to repeatedly here when like, capitalism does? Pretty much every third world country is capitalist. Every single impoverished person in the first world is living under capitalism. How is capitalism working for these people exactly?
It’s very easy to point out the bad. America, Canada, Australia, all of the UK, France, etc, are all capitalist countries. And you know, you’ve got a point, I’ll give you that. But that’s not capitalism, that’s the person running the country. If you actually listened to what I said, I know capitalism isn’t perfect. It’s a flawed system, but at least it can actually work.
Australia is forcing the closure of indigenous communities as we speak, because they are considered a ‘drain on resources’. This is a country founded on the theft and land and murder of indigenous populations – and the imperative driving those actions both historically and today are economic, are founded in capitalism, are not just ‘a bad guy prime minister’ that is the most ridiculous liberalism I’ve ever heard.
Yeah, that’s bad, and it shouldn’t be happening. But practically every country was founded on the principle of land theft and murder of the people already there, and that includes indigenous peoples. And honestly, I don’t know a ton about Australia, but if the Native communes there are anything like the ones in Canada, then I can honestly understand them being shut down. I haven’t blamed anything solely on their prime minister, although he is a total idiot and a complete dick. You’re just trying to blame things on capitalism now.
you literally said that bad stuff happening wasnt because of capitalism but because of ‘people running the country’.
Also like I just realised you are 15 so you’ve probably met like 18 people in your life before that designated bed time so IDK what we’re doing here
I’m not stupid. I know you can’t just blame the people running the country. And yeah, I’m 15, and a lot of people think that automatically means I don’t know anything. Well guess what? I know I don’t know everything. You still haven’t proveded anything to actually refute what I’ve said, so…care to do that, or are you just going to sit there talking about Australia and commenting on my age to try and discredit me?
you’ve presented a lazy opinion without any real evidence, so i’m dismissing it? deal with it lol
Okay, if that’s true then it should be easy to refute, right?
Here’s why your opinion is hard to refute, it’s incredibly vague. It’s a bit like asking “why aren’t people happy?” and expecting a brief and yet thorough answer. I’ll happily answer your questions if you explain what the questions you want answered are. What are the particular problems in socialism you are referring to? What precisely are the areas where what we’ve seen doesn’t work in your opinion? I need to understand your parameters for success before answering how we could meet them.
Alright, let me be more specific. I’ve yet to meet a communist who can actually give me a legitimate and logical argument as to why communism is so great, and more specifically, why they think it’s better than capitalism.
Alright, good points of a syndicalist pre communist organization (communism requires the dissolution of the state and a bunch of other stuff that’s not been achieved yet):
It removes the perverse incentive of wage labor, being paid an hourly wage encourages people to work as little as they can without getting fired. Being paid based on the actual productivity of their industry means that workers work harder and instead of socially punishing the guy who works the hardest for raising the standard they socially punish the lazy guy.
It removes the incentive to sell crap for more than it’s worth, a t-shirt with Ralph Lauren’s name on it doesn’t cost more to make than one without, but we charge stupid amounts of money for things that don’t cost that much to make because we live in a profit driven society.
Individuals who are talented are given the opportunity to shine, right now the upper class remains the upper class, the children of CEOs become CEOs and the children of poor people, even if they have a great idea, don’t get the opportunity to try out that idea because they are likely to be under-educated, to be unable to put up the capital to fund the idea, whereas under a syndicalist system they could pitch their idea and people would be able to contribute to making the idea a reality, as well everyone would receive excellent education and parents wouldn’t have to choose between parenting their children and putting food on the table.
No one would be homeless because instead of banks owning a bunch of empty houses and just leaving them empty rather than allowing people to move in, people would be allowed to move in.
With socialized health care we’d receive a higher standard of care for a lower cost http://www.nationaljournal.com/healthcare/for-health-care-americans-pay-more-and-get-less-20111123
We wouldn’t let people who are unable to work just starve.
People wouldn’t have to terminate pregnancies for financial reasons.
People wouldn’t be paid for just owning stuff and being lazy ass holes.
You would be able to get more/better consumer goods, because of the lack of need to upsell.
No more planned obsolescence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
More soon I have to go make some okra
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