I Feel Like Gender Abolitionists (who aren’t shitty trans misogynists, and they exist, and some are trans women) and People Who Want Recognition For The Infinite Number Of Possible Genders

principlesoflilith:

thepeacockangel:

Want basically the same thing, cause like zero or infinity the material result should be basically the same, like non-gendered bathrooms (because you can’t have infinite bathrooms, and if gender doesn’t exist you can’t gender a bathroom) and the abolition of gender roles (too many to keep track of, or gender doesn’t exist) and yeah?  

Like ultimately whether you believe that gender should be a space of infinite possibility, or that gender should be abolished to make room for infinite possibility in terms of ways of being, like it’s basically the same thing.

Infinite genders or no gender results in the same material conditions of a lack of gendering of anything because either it’s too hard to keep track of and not seen as a way of sorting people into a group or it doesn’t exist.

Or maybe I’m wrong and bad.

I think that while the material outcomes are theoretically similar that the actual process of getting there is quite different from both groups. And that the processes for that are so diametrically opposed that while end goals may be materially similar that pragmatically gender abolitionists(of the not transmisogynist variety) and gender infinity types probably are a long way off from being able to work together on those issues. Also within both groups there seem to be a lot of very white-Eurocentric blindspots about IOPOC genders. For example abolitionist typically want to eradicate even genders that are not legible to a white western context and infinity types frequently think that those genders should be open to everybody and both groups routinely fail to have nuance around those issues. I used to, and still intermittently, describe(d) myself as a gender abolitionist, but the complicating factors make me really weary of either and reticent to describe myself as an abolitionist. I’d propose the term gender liberationist for folks who want to see the material outcome you’ve described as a sort of umbrella term that encompasses both ideologies as well as pragmatists who aren’t particularly interested in Pomo theories but would like to see that outcome.

Pretty much in the pragmatist camp

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