I wish there were a term for working class feminism

blindedscale:

khalvin8:

thepeacockangel:

khalvin8:

queernuck:

khalvin8:

queernuck:

khalvin8:

thepeacockangel:

Separate from feminism because like feminism has a long history of focusing on the ideas and interests of bourgeois women, and ignoring or pathologizing working class women’s needs and so like a lot of women (rightly) associate it with stuff that does no good for them and also it would be nice to be able to find each other without ending up in a sea of bougie bullshit.  Femmunism? Lady’s Class War? gyno-communism?  Ladyism?

egalitarianism?

lmao holy shit imagine having this much of a fundamental misunderstanding of what liberatory movements are supposed to be. instead of concieving of a movement for the rights of women that concentrates on the struggles of working-class women implicitly or explicitly excluded from other forms of advocacy…just say the problem’s already fixed! Egalitarianism, that’s it!

the struggles of working-class women

which are?

Racialized misogyny, the expensiveness of reproductive care, the cost of hormones and operations like facial feminization surgery, the cost of things like clothes and makeup that are necessary for finding higher-paying jobs, a lack of maternity leave, there are many women’s issues that specifically impact working class women hardest. And yet you laugh about it.

Racialized misogyny, the expensiveness of reproductive care, the cost of
hormones and operations like facial feminization surgery, the cost of
things like clothes and makeup that are necessary for finding
higher-paying jobs, a lack of maternity leave, there are many women’s
issues that specifically impact working class women hardest. And yet you
laugh about it.

Laugh? Who laughed and when? You’re assuming I’m belittling you and your search for representation.

Racialized misogyny

Um, two buzzwords that are only tangentially related. How can you stop Humanity being hateful? Is that anymore possible than calming the Hurricane and quieting the earthquake? You can’t control people. That’s enslavement and it is wrong.

the expensiveness of reproductive care, the cost of
hormones and operations like facial feminization surgery, the cost of
things like clothes and makeup that are necessary for finding
higher-paying jobs,

I agree. Medical practices in the US are not only expensive. they are artificially expensive due a myriad of reasons. Female products are both expensive and in-expensive. You can shop Walmart for some basic supplies. They do cost money. But not half as much as the top end shit you find elsewhere. And there is support for helping women AND men getting prepared for an interview and obtaining basics for themselves. This is your class argument. That impoverished women are in need. I just don’t see what makes them in any more need than the impoverished men beside them. Being poor isn’t a punishment. No one deserves wealth. Wealth is earned. And it by the grace and mercy of other human beings that charity exists. The government has neither grace or mercy. Therefore it abolishes charity.

a lack of maternity leave,

I agree. An employer should provide maternity leave. Many do. But is it the federal government’s job to enforce that? Is it really? That seems more something a State should regulate.

1. And yet somehow we’ve managed to change the attitude that women should never work outside the home since the 50s

2. I’m a communist, so I don’t believe in having a state, and in a world where the productive power so vastly exceeds meeting everyone’s minimum requirements, people actually deserve wealth, and charity is inconsistent and about making the giver feel good rather than putting the power in the hands of people in need

3.  I believe that the boss class should be abolished along with the federal and state governments, and that all industry should be run democratically so… no

Ugh fucking liberals

1) prior to the 50s. Women were more than expected to work outside the home. Most did.

2) Well, I’m not a communist and I don’t think I can be convinced Communism works. I think regulating capitalism with socialism is breaking the economy. But economy is only part of the reason medical practices are over-expensive. The largest factor seems to be government interventionism. But government does provide services and is the protector of freedoms. So I’m not an anarchist.

3) um.I’m not going to argue you here. I’m actually going to encourage you to try it out. Start a business and run it on pure democracy system. See if it works. There is no reason you can’t. There are enough like minded people on the internet that I think you can start a cottage game studio or publishing firm. If it works. It works. But you telling other they need to abolish the ‘boss class’ is you setting yourself up as the governmental body the rules their actions.

and fuck liberals. 😛 I hope the OP is sitting through this. Their comments are brokering actual discussion.

Fun Fact: Khalvin is a Moderate Conservative. 

1. Women were paid significantly less, and middle class women were expected to stop working as soon as they married http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2007/02/art2full.pdf.
2. That’s not socialism, socialism means the workers own the means of production. State ownership is Keynesianism when it’s partial and state capitalism when it’s complete and something we oppose
3. And peasants getting together to revolt and depose their feudal lord and institute democracy makes them feudal lords. I believe in direct democracy (as in non representative, everyone votes, there are no politicians. Also heard of Mondragon? How about steam? They’re democratically run
4. No he’s a classical liberal, conservatives are like cross and crown traditionalists